Show me a man that has no sin.
Our society’s “moral chaos” certainly cannot be blamed on same sex marriages.
As long as we adorn this flesh, I believe we shall sin.
I think God is and always will be the judge of all man kind.
Big and little sins? Sin is sin, again I say,
Show me a man that has no sin.
Show me a man that has no sin.
Our society’s “moral chaos” certainly cannot be blamed on same sex marriages.
As long as we adorn this flesh, I believe we shall sin.
I think God is and always will be the judge of all man kind.
Big and little sins? Sin is sin, again I say,
Show me a man that has no sin.

Amen, and amen! In the name of "acceptance" and "tolerance" we have abandoned all that is holy to the point that we believe the great lie "surly God would not" . . . ad to this whatever you like that offers an excuse for your behavior, or better said rebellion. We must love the sinner just as Christ does, but we should not condone or practice the sin. I thank God for his mercy, and I know that it is extended to every man who acknowledges that he is a sinner, and that Jesus is the remedy.

Absolutely true, based on the absolute truth of God's word!!!!!

If we cannot defend the biblical definition of marriage we will not be able to defend against "group marriage". My prediction is that it is on the horizon.
A few men, a few women, some work out of the home some stay home and take care of the kids and house. With, say 6 or 7 working outside the home the average annual income of such a "family" would be $600,000. This "family security" will be the argument for this group marriage.
Sharpen your thinking because this perversion is not good for society, the members of such a group, or the kids.
We did a poor job of defending marriage when the same sex marriange issue first came up. Reasons like "it's just not right" will only get giggles in this next battle. You'll need more than just Bible quotes to defend against non-believers. ( health problems, disease, jealosy, stress, resentment, etc all come out of this kind of melay )
I call all Christians to study-up on why God's marriage pattern is best.

I think gays should be required to be married. Why shouldn't they suffer like the rest of us?

As the mother of a gay daughter, I will try and give you a different perspective to chew on. First off, I will say, I will never approve of my daughter's sexual preference; however, I have come to accept it, since by not doing so, I would certainly lose my daughter and I could not bear that. As my daughter pointed out to me, who could possibly ever imagine that a gay person, be it a man or a woman, would ever CHOOSE a gay lifestyle? She feels like God(and yes, she is a believer) made people the way He made them, heterosexual, homosexual, black, white, fat, thin, tall, short, geniuses, special needs, etc. Again, I know there are many who will not accept this explanation... it is just being offered up as another side to the issue.

amen! if same sex marriage is considered okay, then who's to say a man can't marry the 5 year old neighbor or his dog. where will society draw the line?!?!?!

Our society is doomed. Moral decay and perversity reigns now--and the people will die in their sins. Yes, everybody sins-but people who openly embrace their sin without shame are the driving force in our society's demise...just goes to show you man cannot do anything right. America will become the next Soddom and Gommarah.

Mari, I agree with you that you should accept your daughter as she is and love her unconditionally. However, I have a few gay people in my life as well or are also believers. The way I see it is that we are all born with our "DEMONS" be it alcoholism, porn addiction, substance abuse, homosexuality, etc. HOWEVER, we do have the CHOICE to act on those sinful feelings or to turn away from them. Maybe she WAS born gay, but she was also born with the CHOICE to act on a sinful lifestyle.

Paul said, "To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.'"

Flawless logic. If our own government would turn to God and His Word, just think how blessed the United States would be if we obeyed what He said.

By striking out against gay marriage are you not evoking a negative thought. Are you judging a portion of mankind because they are different. My GOD does not talk to me about such negative issues. My GOD speaks to me about LOVE, living in harmony, and enjoying LIFE. Christianity in it's purest form is about spreading GOD's love to everyone in your path. Living YOUR life in harmony with others. Letting your inner light shine out and have the opportunity to infect others with such a pure love. I ask...Does banning gay marriage feel right in your heart?

God gave us the Bible so we would know what is right in His eyes and we could follow His way. So many people reject the Bible or neglect it so that they go their own way unaware of the best way, God's way. Same-sex "marriage" or any other union that mankind could devise and desire to label as "marriage" will never be the same as holy matrimony in God's eyes. We as people may change our definitions but we can never change God's mind on this or any other issue he has covered in the Bible.

Florian, you are right in saying our society is living in a time of moral decay. There is no question about that. However, if you look back through history, every society in the world has been full of moral decay; unfortunately the media of today allows it to be much more in our faces. But remember there is hope and our society is not doomed if we will just turn to Jesus and live our lives based on the example He left for us in His Word. There is ALWAYS hope!

First of all I must say that God must have created people exactly how He had wanted them to be. And we are in agreement that people who are homosexuals are born that way, then that MUST also be the way that God had intended it. Why are we always so fast to judge others just because we are different from them? Was it not in the Bible that you should not judge others unless you are also to be judged? God had first gave us the 10 Commandments, which of these 10 does gay marriages violate? Then God sent Jesus to save us, and Jesus said that the two most important things are to love God and love your neighbors. I can completely understand how violating any of the 10 commandments will show that you are not loving God or your neighbors. However, how does gay marriage in any way be not loving God or your neighbors? Who are they hurting to even call it a sin?

Forgot this in my previous entry...

"Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God. So let’s stop condemning each other. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not cause another believer to stumble and fall." - Romans 14:12-13

Being gay (i.e. having an inclination towards homosexuality) may not be a choice, but that person with that inclination can choose to act on it or not. Once it is acted upon that is when it becomes sin. My father has an inclination towards alcoholism and depression. I also have an inclination towards depression. It becomes sinful when I allow myself to be consumed by it and let it control my life and draw me away from God and do things that hurt my family or myself. I have to choose each day to walk in the light as He is in the light. He gives us the grace to do that if only we would ask! Praise the Lord!

Michael: obviously you need to RE-READ deuteronomy, leviticus, and Romans. It's pretty painfully obvious to clear minded people where God stands on same-sex marriage.

Erika- your post made me sad. I hate to think anyone considers their depression a "sin". You feel how you feel; it's not a sin to be depressed. There are lots of good therapists- many Christian ones- who can help.

Michael, you have forgotten that this world is no longer as God created it. It is fallen and man gave it over to satan and he is the prince of this world. All that God created, satan has perverted.

Ok, you say being gay is something that one cannot prevent, but acting upon this "gayness" is. Then what is a person supposed to do if they are totally turned off sexually by members of the opposite sex and are attracted to members of their same sex? I suppose the only answer to that is a lifetime of self-imposed celibacy? That still does not stop the "urge", now does it? And the Bible says that if you have lusted in your heart, then you have committed sin just as much as having partaken of the very act.

The arguement about being born gay is their justification to continue to live outside the laws set forth by God. I am a straight married male who could use that same arguement to have affiars on my wife because I was born "attracted to women", therefore I can't help it. But I choose to remain faithful to my wife reguardless how many temptations are placed before me. God gave us free will to choose. You can choose to act on your feelings, the question is are they in accordance with Gods laws?

So Mr. G- you are saying that God makes people gay, but they should "choose" not to act on that gayness? Is that the consensus here?

Fabian: deuteronomy, leviticus, => Written by Moses and Romans = > Written by Paul. All I know is 10 commandments => Written by God Himself, and "love God and love your neighbors" said by Jesus Himself. Again, I do not see homosexuals not loving God and not loving their neighbors by not doing what they do. This reminds me of Jesus criticising the Pharisees for upholding their "traditions and rituals" over the words of God.

Michael: "deuteronomy, leviticus, => Written by Moses and Romans = > Written by Paul. All I know is 10 commandments => Written by God Himself"
So basically you're saying the entire Bible is null and void because God didn't "write" anything but the 10 commandments? LOL...If that's what you truly believe then there is no point even having a dialogue with you. But I must say your first sentence "First of all I must say that God must have created people exactly how He had wanted them to be", is absolutely laughable as well. If that's the case guess God created Hitler, Stalin, Judas, even Satan--exactly how He wanted them to be right?
Good grief!

From personal experience I have seen a friend fall into the homosexual lifestyle. She was not that way to begin with but at a vulnerable time after the breakup of a relationship with a boyfriend she was offered the opportunity to explore the other world. She got reeled in by some people who were older and able to persuade someone younger that their way was the way to go. I lost a friend to that lifestyle. Even before I believed so strongly in the words of God in the Bible I had negative feelings toward what some in that community would do to a young person. Other times I have seen this same type behavior where vulnerable people are preyed upon. Sometimes there is success in getting someone to stumble and fall. Not all of those who go into it are born that way. And I question if any are. Satan started the cycle of sin and people sometimes just choose to go with him for awhile either not knowing any better or because they are in rebellion. Prayer is probably the most effective practice in regards to those in this lifestyle so that we will let God be rightfully in the judgement seat.

My depression is not a sin, it's an illness, but it WOULD be sin for me to use it as an excuse to treat other people badly just because I feel a certain way. I'm working hard to overcome this illness and I spend time in the Word and seeking help elsewhere to find healing. Romans 12:1,2 says: "Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect." Anyone can have this transforming of the mind, myself and any homosexually inclined person, or anyone else for that matter, we all have struggles. It doesn't always seem possible, but with God all things are possible. Mari, it is possible for your daughter to be transformed. There are people who have come out of that lifestyle and are now serving God,( see www.exodus.to ). Don't lose hope! God bless...

Henry, I agree with your very good remarks. Mari, you are the mother of a homosexual and you want to accept her, but I agree that you are not called upon to accept her sin. I am heterosexual but I do not act on it because I am not married. The Bible tells us that fornication is against the will of God in ANY form. Josh, it DOES seem right to ban gay marriage, just as it seems right to ban pedifile's behavior, murder, stealing, etc. Your argument could mean that, say a pedifile is born that way, then it would be ok for that pedifile to molest children. God came up with the plan for man and woman to marry and stay commited for a lifetime. Think about it. If everyone lived by God's plan, wouldn't our world be a much better place? No illegitimate children, no molestation, no infidelity, no homosexuality, etc. Now, doesn't that sound like a much better world than what we now have? God's word also tells us that marriage may not be right for everyone, and in that case you should remain celibate. We all have control over our own bodies. Mari says if you have lusted in your heart you are guilty. That is true, but you take it a step further when you ACT on it, don't you agree? Shouldn't we do our very best to block the sin when we recognize it? Many people use the expression that we Christians want to force our ways on everyone else, but isn't it true that the minority (gays) want to force the majority to accept THEIR ways? The Bible does tell us that near the end times right will be considered wrong and wrong will be considered right. It is easy to buy into the persuasive "talk", but we all must continue to go back to God's word wherein lies the perfect truth. Florian, your comments are very good.

No, Florian, that does not make the rest of the Bible Null and Void. Let me just ask you one question, how many Christians do you think have listened to God completely without ever once disobeying? Well, even though I'm sure that the Holy Spirit had inspired the Bible, there were definitely times when the writers were just "not obeying." However, I do believe though that whenever the Bible says "God Said..." or "Jesus said..." He must have said it because no Christian would be bold enough put words into Gods mouth. Therefore, I don't think that the rest of the Bible is Null and Void, but I think it's tainted by man made values. Therefore, I would have to lead back to God's 10 Commandments being the true guide for us. However, Jesus was asked which of the commandments are most important, and he just said "love God and love your neighbors." I would think that Jesus also meant that loving God and loving your neighbors are the most important lessons in the Bible.

Michael, if you truly love God and love your neighbor, then you will do your very best to abide by God's instructions and strive to stay in his will. Also, it doesn't mean to just say "everything else is ok because I love God and I love my neighbor" - your behavior is the outward demonstration to others that you are doing your best to stay within God's will. We can't just avoid the rest of the commandments because we think we are upholding the "main" one.

Michael, if you want to live on only the one commandment to love God and your neighbors, then you need to understand what it truly means to love God. If you think it is as simple as having positive feelings toward him, then you've completely missed the point of Jesus's answer to the question. A true love for God will spark obedience to His divine command. You will want to please God and not TRY to use the bible against him.

Hey Davo, let me ask you one question. Do you love your parents? Have you absolutely done everything they said?

Michael, I have screwed up, no surprise there. But I'll use your parents analogy to explain my point. Earlier you asked if homosexuality was really a sin... First off, the bible is very clear, but even if it was hazy for you-->

If I was never specifically asked by my parents to "not run away and join a gang" would that change how they felt about it? Would it be OK for me to do that because I love my parents, and that's all that matters?
It's a lame example, but hopefully you smell what i'm steppin' in.

Michael - I hope you haven't stopped studying the Bible because most of your opinions and thoughts about the Bible seem to be only 1/2 correct. The other half is not supported by scripture. The Bible tells us not to judge non-Christians, to witness to them by loving them. As far as Christians judging other Christians - it is our duty to do so. Jesus constantly judged those who claimed to know God. THis is show in the Gospels. Paul explains this type of judgement in 1 Corrithains. The bottom line is that if you say you are a Christian and gay you are open for judgement because you are participating in sin. Just like if I was cheating on my wife and everyone in the church knew about it. They should judge me for it.

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